You keep talking about keeping things “in sync.” What do you imagine needs to be kept in sync with on-budget accounts? To date, I've seen no compelling arguments to the contrary. Do You Need A Budget? Thank you! It gets out of sync several times. Navy Blue Foal I found your people! YNAB Web ; YNAB Mobile ; Contact; Contact; Embrace Your True Expenses. Ben K. I don’t think I understand when you say “that’s not how YNAB thinks of savings”. More potential for problems that make the whole budget go out of whack isn't worth it IMO. You see, I discovered there was a loose nut behind my keyboard that kept scooping money out of my emergency fund! Tardigrade it's not that you have to make changes for emergencies, it's that you have to make changes for the little things: when your cable bill goes up $1.23 or do to an escrow analysis your mortgage goes down $7.81 or if you do balanced billing on your utilities. If I kept my savings account off budget, I wouldn't have much of a budget left. Annieland I would sure hope so! Make categories, and save funds for them. I evaluate my averages every 6-12 months to make sure I'm budgeting appropriately. That's fundamental to the envelope budgeting system. For example, the electric bill’s due on Monday, and you plan to buy that new TV in six months. It is working pretty well for me, except for my age of money metric, that has really suffered. And when I look in reports, at my spending pie, I can see a % of my "spending" going to savings i.e. I can't tell you what the money in my savings account is for -- my budget categories are what gives the money purpose. Why do more work and end up with less money, even if you think the more work is less work? (I added it because I dipped into it, for $240, and would like to have a record of that--and to pay it back.). Habanero Salsa sorry I didn't save a collection of ynab screwups for you. I'm learning to adjust, maybe we can start a support group. For example I actually have a tracking account for my auto loan because I do want the visibility that provides and my reporting needs aren't so extensive as to justify buying something like quicken to use along side ynab. new car/house, vacations, etc. bret first off you can do that if you keep off budget savings. . Now I am not recommending you use your emergency fund money to buy Facebook stock, or any stock for that matter – I am simply highlighting that I could have achieved much greater returns over the same time period with my emergency fund. Most people have a lots of competing financial goals -- large purchases (e.g. I'd gain nothing from doing that. Let's say you have an Emergency Fund and you think it is enough because it has $15K in it but you may be mentally giving those dollars more than one job. If you overspend in the budget account, that's obviously missing money. Anyway, before YNAB, I started getting into the CC rewards a little more (e.g. Rule #1 EVERY dollar has a job, that should include your savings. Another option (this is what I do) is to create specific savings categories, and allocate your 10k into those multiple categories. What is the usual YNAB approach? What's your take? And I do still keep track of the sinking fund on a spreadsheet, but I’m pretty flexible with it. Should I have it as a budgeting account and just keep growing my available amount? I want it to be there as a reserve. YNAB should hire this guy! I’m a YNAB newbie and trying to figure out why you would do it that way when it seemed that the beauty of YNAB is that you don’t need to. It's a little intensive, but the auto-pay means I won't forget. (In the case of your emergency fund, hopefully it … but then very few things change for us on a monthly basis. There is nothing that say that job cannot be to sit there and wait for when you absolutely need it. Your millage may vary. In my opinion, budgeting out 3-6 months in advance then becomes the emergency fund. That's why savings accounts are Budget Accounts--you'll give each of your savings dollars a job, too. Real nice. Thanks everyone, it looks like I should move it back into my budget account! Just because something is in my budget doesn't create a requirement to actually spend it. I would NEVER use a financial program that couldn't work with numbers reliably! Only tried YNAB, not a regular user, but here's my take. Best to leave it off-budget in a tracking account. It really isn't any more complicated it matters what works best for each person. The closest thing is that I'll order a dress in multiple colors and/or sizes with the hope of actually keeping 1, so that clothing is overspent for the period between the order and the return but the actual item that I keep is well within the category available. I had to use my Emergency fund awhile ago to buy a beater $1k car (I'm doing Dave Ramsey's baby steps and on BS2), but I just moved the money into my vehicle category and then spent it. I've 0ersonally gotten to the point where I don't care if people here will say what I'm doing is wrong because it works for me and it is PERSONAL finance afterall. But it’s a little harder to create a list of categories for less regular expenses, such as: 1. It's kinda both a savings account and a retirement account. Superbone And if there's one thing YNAB can do, it's MATH. Please read our Disclosure and Disclaimer. If you haven't gotten to the point where you really trust your categories, it feels a little like withdrawing all of the money in Benjamins and putting it into your wallet along with the money you were going to spend at Wendy's. I have seen many post of don't go more than a month out with budgeting. It's the micro-changes to fixed costs that become a major PITA. But what happens if a massive storm hits as you are driving home and you skid off the road and there is a bunch of damage to the car and you break your leg in 2 places. Maybe instead of telling bbn people they are doing it wrong because they dobt do it your way you can learn to accept bot everyone does things your way. nolesrule That is a fair point, but I would have to ask how often are you having those "emergencies" and what are you counting as one. You will tell all your money what it should do. There's a few kinks I'm working out, but overall, it's been pretty good. How dialed-in are your priorities? Spring Green Drill Ugh. Navy Blue Foal When multiple people read it that way, perhaps it’s a lack of clarity in the writing. True Expenses are your large, less-frequent expenses. Either to learn better (or worse) methods, or just have fun. ), but I finally figured out that those added up to about 5%, and I’ve left it at that. Rainy Day (YNAB Rule Two) budget categories might offer some risk of new interest expense; I’ve identified my cars, my appliances, and my teeth as risky aspects of my own budget. Entering a Transfer 1 The true expenses/annual stuff is in another account. Navy Blue Foal You can’t provide a single example of the software screwing that up. Managing separate bank accounts for each of those goals is impractical. I have a category called Loss of Income. Ceeses when the software works as intended...not always true however as I have explained elsewhere in this thread. Less cash on budget means less opportunities for this to occur and at smaller amounts. Navy Blue Foal Wait, you seriously think YNAB just randomly glitches and spits out random numbers? Yes, I control my money. Is it possible to have one single YNAB savings account with categories, earmarking them for … For some emergencies, it also helps to use an emergency budget—a deflated spending plan to make sure the money in your fund lasts as long as possible. Instead I got my budget optimized and figured out that I didn’t have it right. You clearly are the one who dosen't understand. (If so, why bother to sort money into categories if you're not going to heed them when it really matters?) You leave your savings account off-budget, or you sync it to a category, or you (and this is also the rhetorical "you") add your your "regular" savings account to the budget but not your emergency fund savings account. Less so since reducing how much is kept on budget. The rest goes into "long term" savings. jenmas yes because any on budget money has to match up with on budget  account balances (after accounting for uncleared transactions), I would have figured that should be obvious... You understand that the program automatically does that math, right? When it clicks why that’s suboptimal, you’ll be making progress, but if it works for you it’s better than nothing. Hi Alex, Great review. Is this wrong? Superbone I didn't watch it but I liked the premise that there isn't just one way. Are those funds strictly for apocalyptic dangers or are they a "Loss of Income" safeguard? The way that you are doing this is perfectly acceptable. If it dosent work it's your fault. And each time it happens I find nothing that was mis-entered. If it’s not great, an emergency fund can be really helpful. Which if that's your priority then great. How do you all manage your emergency fund in YNAB? Whether it sits in an emergency fund category or sits off budget it is still set aside to do it "job". Yes I have to have a certain level of self-discipline to say that I can't take money out of the Loss of Income category to cover a shortfall in the Restaurant category. Including savings in your budget is meant to streamline that decision making process - you shouldn't have to resort to your savings out of panic. Should be free money for a cause you like. YNAB’s method teaches you to give every dollar a job, ... And, then there’s your emergency fund. the total of on-budget accounts does have to add up to the total of all the categories. About to make a large purchase? So 1) How do I add a savings account, but not have YNAB think it's money I can spend now. You’ve probably heard of an emergency fund. Side note to think about. Much easier than opening dozens of real-world bank accounts and constantly transferring funds. Less earned interest is not. It makes me feel better to see the slice and know that some of my "spending" is for future emergencies. This should cover me for 6-8 months if I am out of work, but obviously the goal is to never actually use it. However, this is not giving that money a job. How about some middle ground. Not in the banking sense, in the computing sense. Merging that "system" with YNAB has been....fun. With how many people who come complaining about the SFTF bug I know I am not. I asked can you say it has never happened (whether or not you have seen it). Nobody is going to convince Navy Blue Foal that keeping savings accounts off-budget is suboptimal so why try? More money on budget it more problems to keep everything in sync. ), use the GOALS feature to calculate what you need to budget each month. Do you have a category for emergencies or do you cover most things with your True Expenses categories? So, I ended up taking my emergency fund out of CapitalOne360, and threw enough into my checking account to be one paycheck ahead (per YNAB’s philosophy). Habanero Salsa that made precisely no sense in relation to the topic at hand... Navy Blue Foal It would if you understood the topic at hand. Having had savings recorded several different ways including as you recommend I find this works better for me. And, then there’s your emergency fund. Change 6 months. I do not use YNAB, but I got very interested in this project called Financier.io that sought to recreate the best elements of YNAB, after YNAB moved online from YNAB4.. Financier is free if you use their web based application offline. I don't want to spend the Annual Out of Pocket Max category in my Medical group, but it's there just in case. 4 These categories are essentially super-efficient, mini emergency funds. But the best part? Habanero Salsa not very well. nolesrule more effort is relative. (The idea of breaking down an emergency fund into theoretical possible emergencies seems odd, though. And 2) Once I settle that issue, what's the best way to set up a line-item to repay the $240 -- in the same way I … I have the honor to be your obedient servant. That is the basis for an emergency fund. So for many YNABers, I think it has to go in stages. Faness the fallacy with that statement is that just because it's not on budget  dosent mean there isn't a purpose for it. C) that's a generality that is generally true but likely not always. For YNAB'ers that are following Rule #2, Embracing Your True Expenses, these aren't true emergencies, and they are already covered in the budget. But I think to call it a ton of cement is unreasonable, and I have yet to hear any real reason why its so bad other than because we said so. Can you explain why you use a tracking account for your emergency fund and separate bank accounts for goals rather than utilizing the YNAB feature that allows you to give that money a purpose without putting it in separate bank accounts? The end result is the same, the money comes from somewhere. But I will think about it some more.). Thank you for starting this topic! Tardigrade Yes, this was what I was going to say, just move the money to the category when you use it. Navy Blue Foal  Your mileage indeed may vary, because for reasons that are still unclear to the rest of us, you are driving around with a half ton of cement in your trunk. Then $60K of your total is for emergencies, create one category called "emergency" and … It doesn't scale. Then make a line that says ‘emergency savings’ and budget it there. Navy Blue Foal I spend based on my category balances as long as my accounts are reconciled (which they do. What will matter, is if you've already broken down exactly what you can cover. Especially over time. In the budget, that transfer does not reflect as activity, the only way to get it to reflect in the budget is to go back to the savings account and make a fake withdrawal to categorize as "emergency fund". Infrequent, Variable Expenses (e.g., Christmasspending, quarterly fuel bills or textbooks) 3. I have a savings account that I use for my emergency savings and have it set up as a tracking account. Navy Blue Foal More effort is relative. Navy Blue Foal Your auto loan example isn't equivalent here. Yes, I need to work on my emergency fund. They start out with categories for their regularly recurring bills and expenses, like like rent/mortgage, utilities, phone, groceries and gas. Navy Blue Foal That’s why I said “in this scenario.” Are you positing that this is a SFTF issue or just introducing an irrelevant point. my "job" as the manager of my financial well being, I have the honor to be your obedient servant. A design flaw is the program doing exactly what the developer meant it to do, but that's just a dumb thing to do. not keeping all your eggs in one basket. YNAB 4. Budgeting 3-6 months out, why? Spring Green Drill it is refreshing to see someone who can admit that if you dont do it one specific way it is wrong or somehow suboptimal. Habanero Salsa Exactly! Another example along the same lines is I have a tracking account for my vehicles value. Turns out it's not important. HappyDance Um you obvious havent read what I said because that is not even close. As if were an equation with only one right answer. Amazon Prime goes up $10/year. I am going to say something very controversial for the ynab community and say no it's not "wrong" if that's what works best for you. Just because you’re wrong about whether YNAB can reliably do math doesn’t mean you’re wrong about off-budget savings working better for you. [YNAB 4] Question: How do you literally take money out of your emergency fund that you've built up in the past? HOW TO USE THE BUDGET DAY TO DAY. That is the basis for an emergency fund. https://www.busybudgeter.com/how-14-bank-accounts-saved-our-budget/, Superbone Wow! Monthly expenses. Much easier than trying keep an account balance in constant sync with a category balance (or worse, a sum of multiple category balances.). Now that you have that picture in your mind, start putting your emergency fund in place! if people have the surplus cash to do something like that, i think it’s my new recommended approach. Jobs can be whatever you like. You are correct:  the total of on-budget accounts does have to add up to the total of all the categories. And since I'm funding the accounts every week, it's keeping me honest on how much money I actually have. In the context of everything else you have said it sure looks like you were being more sarcastic than anything else. Do you even need an Emergency Fund? I personally do many things that go against ynab's recommendations. A financial emergency is something unexpected that happens that has not been planned for elsewhere in the budget and needs to be dealt with immediately. Whenever you get new cash you will assign a job. says who? yes because any on budget money has to match up with on budget  account balances (after accounting for uncleared transactions). 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